Monday, 27 May 2013

A Look At Highly Drafted D-men. Why Seth Jones is a Huge Risk

Ok let’s pretend you are the General Manager of the Colorado Avalanche. It’s the draft and you’re at the podium. “With the first selection in the 2013 NHL Entry draft, from the ____________ of the _____, we select____”   who would you chose? A lot of people, even after the Memorial Cup final, are saying Seth Jones. But is the #1 pick worth the gamble on a defenseman? We say it’s a gamble because of the track record of 1st round defensemen. Here is a look at defensemen drafted in the 1st round since 1999:

1999:
Branislav Mezei, 10th overall
Jeff Jillson, 14th overall
David Tanabe, 16th overall
Kirill Safronov, 19th overall
Steve McCarthy, 23rd overall
Kristian Kudroc, 30th overall

Two exceptions in this round were Barret Jackman (17th) and Nick Boynton (21st).

2000:
Rostislav Klesla, 4th
Lars Jonsson, 7th
Ron Hainsey, 13th
Brooks Orpik, 18th
Anton Volchenkov, 21st
David Hale, 22nd
Martin Samuelsson, 27th
Niklas Kronwall, 29th

This prospect pool is a litter richer. But with the exception of Kronwall, Volchenkov, and Orpik, the rest were pretty much busts. Sure Klesa has been a good defenseman but he was drafted 4th overall for a reason. Columbus picked him because he was said to be the best defenseman in the draft. A franchise player, cornerstone, and can’t miss future all-star. All of which he never became. Hale, Samuelsson, Jonsson, and a few others never amounted to much either. So who was chosen after these guys? Nick Wallin, Nick Shultz, Kurt Sauer, Paul Martin, Andreas Lilja, and Lubo Visnovky, to name a few. Oh and Henrik Lunqvist.

2001:
Mike Komisarek, 7th
Dan Hamhuis, 12th
Igor Knyazev, 15th
Carlo Colaiacovo, 17th
Shaone Morrisonn, 19th
Tim Gleason, 23rd
Lukas Krajicek, 24th
Jeff Woywitka, 27th

So apart from Hamhuis and maybe Komisarek, none of these defensemen lived up to their hype and potential. Who was picked after? Fedor Tyutin, Jay Harrison, Christian Ehrhoff, Kevin Bieksa, Dennis Seidenberg, Marek Zidlicky, Johnny Oduya.

2002:
Jay Bouwmeester, 3rd
Joni Pitkanen, 4th
Ryan Whitney, 5th
Keith Ballard, 11th
Steve Eminger, 12th
Denis Grebeshkov, 18th
Anton Babchuk, 21st
Martin Vagner, 26th

Now, Bouwmeester, Pitkanen, and Whitney are all good defensemen, but if the Avs pass up Nate McKinnon for just guys like that, they’ll be kicking themselves. Who went after the 1st round? Duncan Keith. Case closed.

2003:
Ryan Suter, 7th
Braydon Coburn, 8th
Dion Phaneuf, 9th
Brent Seabrook, 14th
Mark Stuart, 21st
Shawne Belle, 30th

Finally a draft with some excellent prospects in the top 10. If jones turned out like Suter and Phanuef, then it would be nice. But he could still amount to Erik Johnson. More on him later. Picked later: Shea Weber, Dustin Byfugien.

2004:
Cam Barker, 3rd
Ladislav Smid, 9th
Boris Valabik, 10th
A.J. Thelen, 12th
Andrej Meszaros, 23rd
Jeff Schultz, 27th
Mark Fistric, 28th
Mike Green, 29th
Andy Rogers, 30th

Annnnns we’re back. Busts busts busts. Remember Cam Barker? So much hype, and so little return. Mike Green is the lone bright spot. Players chosen after: Alex Edler, Mark Streit.

2005:
Jack Johnson, 3rd
Brian Lee, 9th
Luc Bourdon, 10th
Marc Staal, 12th
Sasha Pokulok, 14th
Ryan Parent, 18th
Jakub Kindl, 19th
Matt Lashoff, 22nd
Matt Pelech, 26th
Joe Finley, 27th
Matt Niskanen, 28th
Vladimir Mihalik, 30th

Marc Staal is the lone bright spot in this draft. Well, Jack Johnson isn’t too bad either. But ask yourself this: would you want these guys or Nate McKinnon? Players chosen after: Kris Letang, Keith Yandle.

2006:
Erik Johnson, 1st
Ty Wishart, 16th
Mark Mitera, 19th
David Fischer, 20th
Bob Sanguinetti, 21st
Dennis Persson, 24th
Ivan Vishnevskiy, 27th
Chris Summers, 29th
Matt Corente, 30th

Erik Johnson. Yea, let’s get another one of him.

Alright so since defensemen take a little longer to develop we’ll stop it here. Except for a few notables: Thomas Hickey, 2007 4th. Drew Doughty, 2008 2nd. Victor Hedman, 2009 2nd. Eric Gudbranson, 2010 3rd. Adam Larsson, 2011 4th.

Out of these few recently drafted defensemen, Drew Doughty is the only guy we would want over Nate McKinnon. Hedman is NOT becoming what was expected of him. Adam Larsson is no difference maker. Eric Gudbranson is young so we’ll see.

So what does this mean for the Avs and Seth Jones? Taking a defenseman that early is a huge gamble. Dmen take longer to develop and aren’t always a sure thing. So is it worth the risk (yes it is a full on risk) to take a player that could turn into any of the above mentioned? There is no such thing as a can’t miss prospect, there is always risk. But the risk for defensemen is higher than that of an explosive forward like McKinnon or Drouin. These are just names and numbers, but it does open the eyes to the fact that Jones might not be as good as every scout thinks he is.

Jones is the #1 dman on one of the best junior teams in Canada. Heck, one of the best Junior teams in the world. Yes, the Winterhawks are that good because of the play of Jones, but Jones is that good as a result of his team’s play around him. Stick any 16-20 year old defenseman on the Portland Winterhawks and see if his game improves. But look at Larsson. Hedman. Johnson. All top prospects and “can’t miss” defensemen, but don’t you think Tampa Bay wishes they had Matt Duchene instead of Hedman? Don’t you think St. Louis wished they picked Jonathan Toews over Erik Johnson? The list goes on.
If the Avs take Seth Jones 1st overall and he turns into a player like Drew Doughty or Shea Weber, then that is awesome. But what if they take him 1st overall and he turns out to be Mike Komisarek or Branislav Mezei? It’s possible, and it is something to think about.



But the lesson learned from all of these “can’t miss 1st round prospects”, is that mistakes can be made. A

1 comment:

  1. 1 Attitude: First off I have a friend who played with and against Seth Jones at a US developmental camp a few years back. His take was that Seth is a solid offensive D-man who's skating and passing and shot make him a cut above the rest. Seth was being groomed even then as a star, he was catered too and babied. Seth hates being hit, he got laid out at center a few times and bitched about it. He is very relaxed but doesn't really always show a fire in his game. I'm not referring to his lack of a mean streak but to the fact he stops playing with passion at times. He admittedly got into hockey because he didn't want the pressure of being compared to his father.

    2 Media Darling: Dont be mislead by the Denver area press (yes you Mr.Dater) or the national media for that matter who are chomping at the bit to write countless stories of the home town boy...the return of the king if you will. Although he has some denver roots and Joe Sakic did suggest to his father to get his son into skating lessons, if he ever wanted to amount to anything, he is no Avalanche fan. The firsthand experiences of the 2001 cup did leave their mark on the young Mr.Jones but he followed the RED WINGS there after and modeled his game after his hero LIDSTROM, but alas the press avoids that little tidbit.. They downplay the others vying for first over all pick and focus instead on the 'Story". Also the idea of the first ever african american player selected first overall would be awesome to help grow the sport in america. Ask yourselves what is a bigger story: First ever african american, son of an NBA player, learns hockey in Denver and returns home as the #1 pick. All hype and little substance.

    3 D Men are the hardest position to project: Its a hard position to learn, and very few top rated D prospects ever pan out. Scouts always faun over a huge defenseman who can skate and shoot the way Seth does. Case in point our own Erik Johnson or Jay Bouwmeester who never lived up to their draft day potential. They are both good defensemen but are they worth a #1 pic for what they have become a #3 on a good depth chart? I watched all the Memorial Cup games and Seth showed flashes on the big stage but also showed some blown coverage. In the final his coach did all he could to keep Seth off the ice when MacKinnon and Drouin were out there. Not two older wiser players but two kids from Seth's draft year...MacKinnon being almost a full year younger. I don't see #1 franchise defenseman when I look at Seth he screams bust.

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